SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Annie » 22 Jun 2011 10:34

• Wherever possible we reused what the shop already had to keep costs low. Original shop fronts should be cherished rather than ripped out. It's also more sustainable.

Compare that with Paulros who spent an estimated 7-12 thousand on ripping out the original shop front, breaking planning regulations, made their business and the high street look worse and had to shut down.[/quote]

Off topic I know,but quick question-why did Paulros shut down?

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by poppy » 22 Jun 2011 10:57

Hear, Hear Scott!!

Another voice of reason!!

It is looking more and more like a travesty, sadly...

The art work that is being commissioned for the Greyhound site seems to be using a different process completely.

Different artists submitted ideas, local people were able to comment on them in a comments book at a display and explanation of these at Kirkdale Bookshop. Seems far more organised and a much more 'open' process. And before any (presumably) money was spent at all.

Does anyone know who is behind the Greyhound project?

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Rachael » 22 Jun 2011 13:16

Bruce Harrison is organising the Greyhound Project. All the submissions were posted here as well . A great example of how it should be done, and probably costing a fraction of the mosaic.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Blushingsnail » 22 Jun 2011 17:33

The winning Greyhound artwork design was selected (or not, as it turned out) by a selection panel. So although the designs were made public and displayed at the Kirkdale Bookshop with the opportunity to write comments in a book, the public's opinion didn't count towards the selection. As it turned out, the selection panel didn't think any of the submitted designs were suitable and decided to extend the competition. So not such a good example after all.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by leenewham » 22 Jun 2011 18:08

Having said that, they made the right decision by not choosing any of the artworks presented as they weren't right or of a high enough standard (I entered and I agree with the judges).

So perhaps it wasn't such a bad example after all.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by leenewham » 22 Jun 2011 21:00

I would like to post this statement from Friends of Home Park:

For the record Friends of Home Park have never stated a position on the mosaic or been asked to state a position. The mosaic has not been discussed in any of our meetings, therefore we do not and cannot have a position on this.

It would have been nice if the South London Press had asked me before printing this story. My views on the mosaic are my own and are in no way related to Friends of Home Park or any other body or campaign I'm involved with.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Tim Lund » 15 Jul 2011 10:22

rshdunlop wrote:And who are the members of the Sydenham Mosaic Committee? When and where do they meet and are the meetings open to the public?
At the meeting organised for formal objectors to this proposal last night, I was introduced to a group as the Sydenham Mosaic Committee, and started to make a note of their names. One immediately insisted very strongly that I should not publish her name on this Forum - or put it in the public domain in any other way, I assume. I have subsequently been told that should I do so, I'll be sued!

All she had to so was to ask for her name to be kept private :D

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by bigbadwolf » 15 Jul 2011 10:33

Tim Lund wrote:I was introduced to a group as the Sydenham Mosaic Committee, and started to make a note of their names. One immediately insisted very strongly that I should not publish her name on this Forum - or put it in the public domain in any other way, I assume. I have subsequently been told that should I do so, I'll be sued!
Forgive me if I'm wrong, Tim, (I'm unaware of the legal technicalities) but shouldn't a commitee that's purportedly formed to adjudicate over decisions that will have an impact on the public (who they seem to be hiding from) make themselves known to the public they claim to be acting on behalf of?

I'm not having a go at you; it's just that as soon as I learn about people that claim to be acting in the interest of the locality wanting to shield their identities, my ears prick up - as I imagine many others would, too.

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Post by Rachael » 15 Jul 2011 11:05

They are in receipt of public money. Anonymity cannot be justified.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by bigbadwolf » 15 Jul 2011 11:12

rshdunlop wrote:They are in receipt of public money. Anonymity cannot be justified.
Well, it can be justified, actually. Just not this far down the food chain.

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Post by admin » 15 Jul 2011 11:50

I have a responsibility to keep STF legal. Hence I need to understand on what grounds anyone can be sued for publishing this information.

If the person involved is reading or knows that person - please PM me or get them to PM me in complete confidence.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Tim Lund » 15 Jul 2011 16:12

rshdunlop wrote:They are in receipt of public money. Anonymity cannot be justified.

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Well, that's what I'd have thought as a matter of principle, but I'm not sure what the law says. I have asked officers if there are any such general standards for the governance of community organisations, although in the context of being accepted as representing a claimed membership, rather than handling public money. I've not had any answer, and I've not thought through how to frame a sufficiently clear FOI request to follow the matter up. I would imagine also that there's some generally applicable law on the matter, but I simply don't know,and I'm not a lawyer.

Sometimes I wish I could get in touch with my barrister grandfather, who wrote a short book on "The Pecuniary Interest of members of local authorities" or something like it. Sadly, he died about 20 years ago.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by michael » 31 Aug 2011 16:11

There is information on the mosaic project now available on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/groups/127308600700971/

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Rachael » 31 Aug 2011 16:22

Now I have a dilemma. Do I ask to join to the group just to get updates, at the risk that they will use the number of members as a measure of support?

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Tim Lund » 31 Aug 2011 16:46

rshdunlop:

I've just asked to join the group, so I'm interested to know if the request will be accepted. Given that the Mosaic supporters imply they have the support of the the Sydenham Society - which is completely split on the matter - and the Sydenham Arts Festival, when the majority of its Visual Arts Trail team are formal objectors to the planning application, I think you can be fairly sure that they will use the number of members as a measure of support, but it will hardly matter in the scale of things.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by leenewham » 31 Aug 2011 23:49

It would be good if they could provide a proper rendering to show what it would actually look like when finished. I'm amazed that after all this time there isn't a proper image of the finished design aside from a written description and a few roundel images.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Tim Lund » 1 Sep 2011 07:07

At last, the kitten mosaic - many people went "Aah" when this was unveiled at the Sydenham Assembly (but a very few went "Ugh"). This is the smallest roundel, and it will be high up on the building, over the door.
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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by leenewham » 1 Sep 2011 10:18

Ugh.

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by G-Man » 1 Sep 2011 13:21

I haven't had time to read this whole thread but the cat must be a joke?

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Re: SAYING YES TO THE MOSAIC ON THE NABORHOOD CENTRE?

Post by Paddy Pantsdown » 1 Sep 2011 13:29

G-Man wrote:the cat must be a joke?
At your expense!

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