My take on London's Riots

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Eagle
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Stuart
I have no problem in having an enquiry but why did it take 2.5 years or so. Hope my maths kosher here.

I do hope the officer concerned was not on gardening leave for all this time.

People who carry guns are prepared to kill.

Let us hope the publicity will stop and we can move on.

HB
Sorry I misunderstood your question.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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I see good old Nicholas Clegg has put his foot in it again.
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He stated on the wireless that the understood the anger of the family of the criminals family.

He had no right to say this on our behalf. Guy, we are given to understand , was a gangland criminal and no sympathy should be forthcoming.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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That's some pretty sub-par trolling there Eagle.

2/10, must try harder.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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I expect mime is the view of over half of Briton's , though I do appreciate probably not on this Forum.
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Eagle wrote:I expect mime is the view of over half of Briton's , though I do appreciate probably not on this Forum.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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I understand the anger. The police can't just go around shooting people dead. Don't care who the suspect was nor whether black or white, or mixed race, or a "bad penny". The point is that police marksmen should be trained properly to keep their cool or we could all find ourselves being shot, even by stray bullets as innocent bystanders. It has been said that policemen don't want to carry guns so maybe some who do might be nervously twitchy or be in shoot-to-kill mode. Who knows? The suspect was shot twice though, which worries me a bit given he apparently wasn't running.

I'm prepared to accept the split second decision thing (no choice); still doesn't mean it was right or should have happened though.

As for the throwing of the gun, surely that would have been a visible arm hurling movement, not a reaching into pocket for mobile phone? A lot of questions remain unanswered. In fairness to the shooting cop, I doubt he can seriously remember much about the incident as human nature says that people rarely accurately remember things which happen so quickly, then things become "this must be what happened" so not necessarily what did, but he'll no doubt have a couple of hundred advisers "helping" him to piece it together.

It's hard to know whether times have moved on, especially in what was undoubtedly a tense area. One can change the PR spin, not the underlying thinking.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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The police who carry and use Guns are highly trained!
Not nervous,twitchy coppers who don't want to carry guns and are are being made in some way to do so. :roll:It's a specialised group! Not just some traffic cops who are forced into it!
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Oh right, and there was I thinking the police just handed out weapons willy nilly.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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I'm glad Duggan was shot. It's justice right there. Disgusting creature, it's good he was shot before he shot anybody else.

It happened for a very good reason.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Though Shalt Not Kill!

I strongly disagree with Parker's sentiment, not that I condone drug dealers who are out to whack a fellow drug dealer/crook.
I think it would have been best if the police were in a position to incapacitate the person rather than take a life however if you live by the sword you die by it so he must have known the risks of carrying a gun? decent people don't carry guns?

It was deffo a case of......

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon thee.
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mosy wrote:Oh right, and there was I thinking the police just handed out weapons willy nilly.

That's the impression you give.
You suggested that Police did not want to carry guns and that they may be nervously twitchy.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Let's see if the yobs come out today, or if everyone respects Duggans family wish for a peaceful vigil.
Or will it turn into another excuse to own the latest technical equipment and trainers.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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The verdict has been out for 3 days , why would the thugs riot today.

If relations of the thug had called for violence they could have been charged.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Eagle wrote:The verdict has been out for 3 days , why would the thugs riot today.
Because the family are holding a vigil in Tottenham today.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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I don't think anybody actually gives a hoot about him in fairness...
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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I agree entirely with Parker.

I hope there are not more riots , but no way should be give in to the thugs and parasites .
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Whilst anyone would regret the death of anyone under those circumstances, it is insulting to our intelligence to pretend that this mans character does not influence how we feel .
That is not saying he deserved it - at all - but I cannot agree with the anger and public outcry it has caused .
The biggest villains in all this the well meaning and not so well meaning liberals that use language like "execution " . It was clearly not .
I hold awful careerists like Diane Abbot much more culpable for the riots than the police officer who was doing his duty to the best if his ability - especially when his family are at least calling for people to stay peaceful .
Good evening
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Well said Nigel.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

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Very wise words Nigel.
I only wish some in Government had your wisdom on this matter.
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Re: My take on London's Riots

Post by hairybuddha »

Presumably, Eagle, you think it would be wise for someone in the Government to state publicly that they have no sympathy with Duggan's family? Some wisdom...

Or do you think that the jury who reached a verdict having seen all the evidence somehow represent the Government?
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