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The Censor in RTW Speaks Again

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The artists who created the street art on the hoardings around the hotel site that used to be the Co-op on Waldram Park Road have updated the work with the words "Black Lives Matter" writ large. It is worth remembering this art-work has been refreshed on these temporary hoardings on a regular cycle.

The self-appointed censor of all matters political for Forest Hill and who no longer resides there, has aired his immediate disapproval.

It would seem that the movement associated with the words is not viewed by him as being inclusive in our society.
The fechin eejit from RTW, in another place wrote: What a shame to see all that wonderful art destroyed and replaced with the polarising slogan of a political movement .
What is shameful is his expression of such divisive rot. He feels he can do this as he owns the board and runs it as his personal fiefdom.

If a straw poll was to be conducted of ALL the residents in the locale, it might almost certainly express majority support for the Black Lives Matter movement.

Interestingly none of the acolytes have "liked" his post which they immediately and habitually do normally .

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He obviously has been spoken to or has spotted that he had been spotted previously making with the shamefully divisive comments.

A third edit has been made.

The political comment has been expunged. Even for him it must have seemed too prejudicial.
The fechin eejit from RTW, in another edit, wrote: What a shame to see all that wonderful art destroyed.
Oh, never be surprised by the wiles and twists of corrupt thought emanating from an insular mind.

Which gained one "like" but not from any of the acolytes.

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The bun fight over the Black Lives Matter artwork continues.
The fechin eejit from RTW and owner of his own forum, in another response, wrote: I did not point out or suggest any “flaws” in those people.

But you should know that their motivation was more than just anti-racism. And “anti-racist” / “anti-fascist” organisations are sometimes used as a Trojan horse for other agendas.
The guy from RTW, using a style of challenge used by racists, wrote: Which statements did I refer to? Which activities did I refer to?.
His only omission was a jabbing finger accompanied by a threatening, "what part offended you most?"

He refers to this Comment piece in The DT, his touchstone of all matters right-wing politics :

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... -movement/

Written by Alexandra Phillips, it attempts to reposition BLM.
The correspondent, in typical DT style, wrote: Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement.
and
The correspondent continues and wrote: With enormous sums of money flooding in - BLM had already received over $100 million from the Open Society Foundations, Ford Foundation and Borealis Philanthropy among others - and many written aims straight from the Communist copybook, there is surely reason for concern. Black Lives Matter is a somewhat amorphous and decentralised movement, allowing international chapters to set up under their banner. Not having a structure, a figurehead or centralised financial control means there is absolutely no accountability. Nobody to call for an end to violence, while providing a moral shield behind which perpetrators of crime can feel emboldened.
In an effort to "prove" a skewed case, a straw poll has been setup by the owner.

It has backfired on him, only 30% of a small number of participants have said they prefer the old artwork.

Interestingly at least some new members of the board appear to be up to offering a challenge to his censorship.

Go look soon - he is losing the debate to more balanced and reasoned views.

He will relocate it in Politics to hide it away.

ETA: Good old marymck has lead with a suggestion to do just that and a another poll has been setup to seek views.

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The increasingly unhinged forum owner from RTW in a style favoured by racists, in yet another post wrote: I don’t like this massive piece of graffiti, featuring a lot of angry and threatening looking men, protesting an injustice that happened decades ago, thousands of miles away

I think the art only inflames racial tension, and takes race relations backwards rather than forwards.

The U.K. police are very restrained in their use of force, compared to other police around the world, yet recent activism has caused the police to be violently attacked by large mobs of people. Look at what happened in Brixton yesterday.
Expressing his dislike in his typically censorious style, he falsely links the artwork (which is internationally recognisable) with violence that broke out in Brixton.

Narrow, tenuous and simply untrue. The artwork and the violence are not linked.

His statement in the post that recent activism is the root cause of the problems in Brixton is fundamentally inaccurate. In some circumstance this form of untrue utterance might be considered provocative with racist undertones in itself and worthy of scrutiny and the intervention of our boys in blue.

I have screen captures of the post and the several edits behind it which are indicative of the extremities of his views and are a pointer to the mindset that exists.

It would seem that the forum's moderators cannot bring the expressions of increasingly illogical and potentially outright racism under control in his posts.

ETA: At least one of his 20+ public profiles has been updated and now says, "on Parler (like Twitter, but with freedom of expression)"

It would also seem he has joined a mass exodus of like-minded British Twitter malcontents flocking to a fringe social media company that is becoming a haven for ousted right-wingers, Parler.com.

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JGD wrote:
23 Jun 2020 08:34
Go look soon - he is losing the debate to more balanced and reasoned views.

He will relocate it in Politics to hide it away.
So Saturday morning's activities include a censorious flourish of deletions and splitting and moving of posts to hide the transgressions of the forums owner.

He has successfully expounded his political dogmas in a structured and negative style and vilified a whole new tranche of the posters he has been so desperate to attract and retain in his diminishing world. Note that these are not the original early engagers on the forum - they are all long gone.

This morning's, now hidden, activities include revelations to posters that his software permits him to view the IP addresses from where posts are being made. Without compunction, he articulates that the can identify that a second poster has joined the thread from the same IP address as another contributor and implies that he views this with some suspicion, perhaps as it could be held that the posters are acting in concert.

How unreasoned can he be ?

He has no honest reply to make when he is challenged about his revelation that two posters are sharing an IP address and by implication dwell in the same property.

Classic misuse of private information and doxing of the worst kind on his part.

Does it expose the forum to actions by the Information Commissioner regarding this mis-use of private information and data? Moderators should be aware that an assessment of this position must be made by their data controller and if a breach has happened or may have happened that has caused the revelation, intentional or accidental, of private data, they are obliged to self-report. Failure to take either or both of these steps is actionable in itself.

One of his moderators had closed the thread for two hours and has re-opened it with an appeal to posters to acknowledge there has been some excellent points made in the discussion and includes a short synopsis of some of the examples. None of the good examples are from his forum owner.

But then the moderator probably realises that as the forum owner has once more opened his Pandora's Box and set out his right-wing dogma coupled to his antagonistic and overly aggressive behaviour toward a range of new posters. The moderator probably realises he may as well not waste his efforts to reel in the forum owner. It is the owners normal practice to engage in this style with any poster that he has the slightest of disagreements with and habitually goes further and fabricate falsehoods to justify his actions. He has self-confessed about doing this in the past.

The moderator was right - there have been some excellent well balanced points made in contribution to a matter vitally important to the wider community by more than handful of people.

Offset by the censorship and ravings of the fiefdom's master.

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It is always meaningful to be in a position to offer balance and transparency.

Two forums, two recent posts
The censorious forum owner from RTW in yet another post wrote: I think we can all agree there is some pretty reprehensible, inaccurate and personally-targeted posting on STF (especially in the appropriately-named “Asylum” category).

But luckily we have another forum here with a different ethos, which provides a venue for everyone who wants to discuss Sydenham in a friendly and constructive environment.

I’m glad you’re both here, @jayB and @Pally, and I hope we can now put any minor disagreements behind us and move on?
And at the same time tries to make this case, closing it with a passive threat.
The censorious forum owner from RTW on another forum in yet another post wrote: Racism was very prevalant in the US in 1968 (the year of the protest depicted in Bowen’s piece). In fact some members of the US police force had KKK connections at the time. It was an appalling period of US history.

By suggesting the current environment in the UK is similar to 1968 Memphis (and I don’t think it is), you lend legitimacy to anti-police sentiment amongst minority communities, and you should be mindful of the negative consequences of that, both for citizens and the police, the vast majority of which are completely innocent and well-meaning people.
Does he believe our community will be content to know, or accept, that to lend legitimacy to anti-police sentiment is the fault of protesters?

Does he hold a view that we do not, or cannot be allowed to, see how valued members of our BAME community are treated badly in the contemporary times in which we live in in the UK.

I think the community has a majority view that things are not right and changes need to be made - unlike him.

It is his customary practice to make specious appeals to people he has previously fallen out with to make up and move on - especially when he has exposed some rabid view or other and needs people to rally to him.

Do not worry he can only revert to type - he can do nothing else - bans will be forthcoming.

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Astonishing threads. Absolutely nothing - Nothing - has changed in 4 years. What a thoroughly decent job they're all doing of embarrassing and incriminating themselves. I could do a line by line, but I really can't be bothered. And I think that most people who've read any of the threads will see it for what it is. I know there've been discussions in private FB groups and, believe me, people see.

I do want to say though, JGD, that I disagree with you on one point.
The moderator was right - there have been some excellent well balanced points made in contribution to a matter vitally important to the wider community by more than handful of people.
I fail to see why Oakr's uninformed post - tantamount to "All Lives Matter" and contributing absolutely diddly squat to the conversation - was included in Forest Hull's list of "fantastic posts".

I'm almost embarrassed on their behalf. It's 100% cringe to see them all digging themselves further and further.

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Good post Nic.

In my defence, your honour, I did say only "some" were excellent.

Also, in my defence, I was a little lazy and did not follow the link to what OakR actually said.

Having now read it it is a meander through the land of what-iffery that is both an appallingly bad and inconsequential critique of an internationally recognisable image.

And in its recognition lies its endurable message. And the fact that the problems remain with us through an egregiously extended passage of time.

Despite our self-appointed censor's efforts to deploy his play-the-man techniques in the same style of the worst of racists, our community speaks loud and the message is being heard.

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Astonishingly, despite having confessed to fabricating the entire back-drop to this story and creating a sock-puppet in a mea-culpa post in his beloved forum, the RTW guy posts this today.

It is beyond his grasp it would seem, that people saw his confession and remember him revealing he had lied about the tale of the revealing of his address. Only one post appears with the street name of his address and that was in a post published by him and no-one else.

And there is a vanishingly small number of his acolytes who believe any retelling of his tale by him - in whatever false form he tries to recast it or reshape it.
The censorious forum owner from RTW in yet another, mendacious recasting of a tale, wrote: Even today, STF still hosts the long-time abusive stalker who emailed names and photos of my extended family (photos of them with my three month old baby), a photo of my flat, and who wrote that she wanted to “pay my wife a visit” while she recovered from a difficult birth.

And this woman is still obsessively writing about me online.

I have never once met this woman, except online, via the various abusive sockpuppets she ran on SE23.life.

I really don’t want to have to go back to the police about her behaviour, but I will if necessary, and this time I will elect to press charges rather than have the police issue a warning as they did last time.
Virtually no-one believes any retelling of the tale of his encounter with what he describes as an abusive stalker.

The police elected not to take any action about the report he made using the fabricated evidence he presented. Because it did not stand up to scrutiny.

It escapes logic that the not inconsequential matter of falsification of reports and evidence by him did not result in action against him by police.

The evidence of his confession and the details of his falsehoods and mendacities are in the public domain still.

None of this seems to have any effect in that he feels he can utter passive threats about returning to the police.

It does not diminish his propensity to express hatred and how desperately he feels about having the right to lash out.

He has not grasped by how much the number of people who were prepared to believe him has shrunk to so few

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Thanks for bringing this to my attention JGD. I do a post on this thread expressing my astonishment at the way various SE23.Life contributors are embarrassing and incriminating themselves, and he launches into this attack!
I really don’t want to have to go back to the police about her behaviour, but I will if necessary, and this time I will elect to press charges rather than have the police issue a warning as they did last time.
I'm not sure what "behaviour" exactly he's threatening to press charges for? Expressing my astonishment at the way various SE23.Life contributors are embarrassing and incriminating themselves?

Also of note is the fact that he picks on me, rather than you JGD - I'm sure you'll agree that you have said far more damning things about him on this thread. Why on earth could it be that he singles me out...? (Rhetorical question)

I'm sick and tired of having to rebut this. I Did Not Receive A Police Warning. To Say So Is Defamatory. He's made this claim once too often now, so if he won't stop of his own volition then legal action beckons. If he pays as much tax as he's been prone to boast about, then it won't be a fruitless exercise. I'm not sure off the top of my head how long it is since his last defamatory statement, and the limitation period for defamation is 12 months, but clearly the fact that he'a made the false claim yet again today, he's just kicked started a fresh 12 month period.

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Does anyone know if Chris is just a one off? Does anyone know of other areas where someone like him is active? As far as I can see, in most places people with explicitly local interests go along with Facebook. Avoiding being judgemental about what "someone like him" means, the questions amounts to whether there are other places which have these local Forum wars. Anyone know?

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Not that I know of.

With further responses you may not expect and that only some people may be aware of.

It is not a forum war.

This thread is generated by the overly intrusive actions of an individual with an aggressive and predatory behaviour pattern who normally selects his targets by his assessment of to what degree he will succeed in bullying them. His behaviours and imposition of his, and only his, dogma is compounded by expressions of hatred magnified by his sense of entitlement to exact revenge if he feels his target actually "betters" him in public debate.

I choose the word hatred carefully. No normal person would create a lie about another person behind the facade of a sock-puppet for the purpose of making an accusation solely intended to have the police falsely prosecute that other person as he did.

His current argument on his own forums, tainted by racist right-wing over-tones is being conducted with a wholly different set of members of his forum who are now very shocked to witness this behaviour and them being targeted first hand. They may be as horrified as the first round of early engagers who ultimately walked away from his forums in frustration at the accusatorial and mendacious behaviours.

Once more he and his acolytes have edited his more extreme comments to hide them from the plain sight of observers of our local debate.

So the "other forums" part of the question can best be answered this way.

Not only are two out of three forums created in our locale by the RTW guy now being used as a vehicle for his venom and abusive views in a repeat of a very short cycle.

His engagement in every local forum that was co-located with his own and which he elected to engage resulted in his rejection and ejection by and from these other forums. His expressions of mendacity and hatred conducted thereon were sometime uttered behind the mask of a sock-puppet so that he could attempt to maintain a false commitment he had publicly made, never to engage in that form of activity.

I cannot be fussed to search for whatever his impact is on the local forums in RTW.

Silence has served us well until now - but his censorious and dogma driven views emerging in the BLM issue cannot go unchallenged and most importantly there must never be another victim bullied and stalked by him.

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JGD wrote:
28 Jun 2020 11:51
Not that I know of.

With further responses you may not expect and that only some people may be aware of.

It is not a forum war.

This thread is generated by the overly intrusive actions of an individual with an aggressive and predatory behaviour pattern who normally selects his targets by his assessment of to what degree he will succeed in bullying them. His behaviours and imposition of his, and only his, dogma is compounded by expressions of hatred magnified by his sense of entitlement to exact revenge if he feels his target actually "betters" him in public debate.

...

I cannot be fussed to search for whatever his impact is on the local forums in RTW.

...
I'm not disputing what sort of person Chris is, and like you I'm not sufficiently interested to go looking for anything he might be doing down in Royal Tunbridge Wells.

The more general facts, broadly, are:
  • There are quite a lot of people with his social & political views
  • There are also quite a lot - not so many - with his level of geekery
  • Forum software, such as phpBB, but also the Discourse software he uses, exist, and and be deployed fairly cheaply
  • There are also serious players in the market to monetise local data - Facebook, obviously, which mean that there is no financial incentive to be made from what might be called freelance Forums
These facts just make me wonder how unique Chris is. Has anyone who in in touch with what happens in other areas aware of anyone else like him, doing what he does? I'm very aware of what happens in Oxford, and there is nothing comparable there

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Tim Lund wrote:
28 Jun 2020 18:07
These facts just make me wonder how unique Chris is. Has anyone who in in touch with what happens in other areas aware of anyone else like him, doing what he does? I'm very aware of what happens in Oxford, and there is nothing comparable there
Tim - some very astute observations.

This I suspect is unique in extremis.

Why invest in setting up a forum only to then incessantly attack the members on whose survival the forum depends ?

Any situation that is so distorted from a "norm" and accepts any such venal presence is abhorrent.

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Oh Dear - looks like another Groundhog Day.

Chris (in the heat of the moment?) makes an unfortunate post. Discussion is supressed by SE23 mods - probably rightly 'cos they don't want a culture war destroying a community forum. Then outrage here. Chris probably feels attacked/victimised again for which he seeks revenge. This may lead to another unfortunate post. And so the circle of rage is complete. No one is done any good.

Dunno whether SWOT analysis is fashionable nowadays but who do the SE23.life mods regard as the greatest threat to the forum? The exiles here or the forum admin himself? I assume the latter 'as the Flavabaker fraud will go down in history for what Chris Beach can do to deceive the community he seeks to serve. Every new excess is a reminder.

But what can the mods do? They can suppress but they can't stop it. Only one person can stop it. He doesn't have to do anything. All he has to do is stop.

Chris I know you have friends you trust who can help you through that. You had a stellar reputation in the early days of se23.life. Do you really grasp that using your priveleged position to defame people will only get more push back and further damage your own reputation? You could do so much more to help our community with your IT skills and gain the rewards. I'm afraid atm some of your judgmental skills are working the other way.

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