The Porcupine field and Pub were about were the Lennard road frontage of the Alex rec is now.
The Hardings lane toll gate was on or about the site of that row of 3 1950s houses built where a bomb fell.
The stick of bombs that left this gap also hit Parish lane Edward road,where the garages are,Thesiger road and a couple other streets.
you can tell by the 50s infill
The road governed by the toll gate I believe went straight on via Alexanda road and to Sydenham road,
Princes road runs along the boundary of a field line shown on one of Falkors maps here, so the placing of the toll gate is more or less obvious if you look at all the maps.
There was another gate in Newlands park at various times aka times Penge Lane
The bit of Parish lane from Hardings lane to Lennard road did not exist at that time, logic would surmise that it was built to compensate for the closure of the crossing at Penge East.
What Falkor does not seemed have cottoned onto in his otherwise excellent research is that Penge Lane has changed name and position at least three times
Originally it seems to have run Crooked Billet>Parish Lane
that was then renamed Old Penge Lane and Penge Lane ran from High Street over the railway at P. East station up to Sydenham, which is now Newlands Park.
Possibly even the Croyden road may have been named on some maps as Penge lane.
Old Penge Lane is now Penge lane again
Its all on the maps.
I think that the old Penge cottages Falkor is so keen to track down where on the Newlands Park stretch. Its the only place they fit to my way of thinking.
I knew Alexanda estate when the houses there could be bought for 4 grand a shot,bit different now?
I bet the Queen Alex is still a thugs haven?
During the 1960s the side street lights were turned off at midnight, they were those quaint little butterfly ones with the bits of mirror inside.
Houses on Parish Lane backing onto the railway went for £2,750/3k, mind you a lot of them had one outside water tap between two, and a loo at the end. And that was in the 1970s.
The Alex estate was ruined as soon as the yuppies moved in and "improved" every thing which included chopping down all the trees, every house on the estate had a lime tree at the gate, cut them down to build car parking.
Can you believe one resident used to run a minicab and coach service out of Edward road?
Princes road had two small shops at the junction of Hardings lane,and just about every street there had a corner shop of some kind, you can still pick them out.
Parish lane up to the mid 70s had a whole range of shops, a motorbike shop, a newsagent,a sweet shop, an estate agent, a kids clothes shop, a small grocer, a barber, a sign writer, a dry cleaner and a few others I forget.
All killed off by the supermarkets that all this lot here are clamouring to bring to Sydenham, so they can buy the identical item in a different wraping and call it choice, mad as bats